¿Posible Scammer?

Hola a todos, soy nuevo en este foro y os queria pedir una opinión. Vereis desde el día 26 de septiembre de este año una tal Olga con cuenta en yahoo contacto ella conmigo, yo dejé mi correo electronico y ella me envió un e-mail (lamentablemente no me acuerdo de la pagina web, lo siento para los que hayan entrado en el mismo sitio que yo y le hayan estafado). A partir del quinto correo me manda una foto de la cuál deduzco que será su madre y sus tias. Su padre murió cuando ella era joven. Las fotos no son en ningún estudio profesional ni nada por el estilo, si lo son dan el pego bastante bién. Os pondré las cartas que recibí de ella, ahora a continuación, para saber si es una posible scammer o no, por que la chica se le ve simpatica, pero prefiero no hacerme ilusiones. Por ahora no me ha pedido dinero ni nada, tampoco puede por que le dije que era estudiante, así que no creo que me pida dinero. No se si influye o no ella tiene 26 años y yo 20 le comente un poco lo de la diferencia de edad, a mi no me importa que sea un poco más mayor que yo mientras que no pase de esa edad. Y en cada e-mail me manda una sola foto y me envía sólo un e-mail al día y además como no me acordaba de que deje mi correo en una agencia gratuita le pregunté por la web y no me lo dijo, solo dijo que vió mi correo y me envio un e-mail. A lo mejor no es una scammer pero mejor asegurarse. Ahora os dejo los e-mails.

E-mail 1

Hello!!! My name is Olga! I write to you from Russia. Be not
surprised. But I wish to learn you. I the lonely girl from city
Pavlovo, in Russia. I search for the future husband. And it not a
joke. I write to you from the Internet-cafe. I have seen your address
and have decided to write to you. I think, it is greater success. I
trust in destiny. I for the first time search for the man from other
country. And I hope, it is a correct choice. I think, it is my female
intuition. I ask to answer soon. I send you my photo. I shall wait
your answer with impatience. And certainly I shall answer you at once
and I shall send a new photo.


E-mail 2

Hello, my friend. You have asked about yours e-mail. I not when did not get acquainted

with men from other countries. I have decided to go to the

Internet-cafe. I spoke the Internet-cafe with workers of it and asked

to help me. These workers have shown me many sites of acquaintances.

But I never got acquainted with people on the Internet. I asked to

find for me e-mail men from other countries. I have chosen your

address and have decided to write to you. I always trusted in my

intuition. I hope, you good the man and we shall learn each other

better. Now I'm here to write you. I want to tell

you more about myself. My age of 26 years. I like sport. I like

various kinds of sport: cycling, swimming, aerobics and dancing. Also

I adore traveling with friends around my country. Sometimes we take

the tents, make there a fire, sing songs, fool, tell terrifying

stories and cook the food. I like cooking very much: usually fish

soup, millet porridge, and toasts. Generally we have a goodtime. I

adore flowers in all their displays. I think that they make our life

beautiful everywhere: at home, in the streets, at work. As for me I

think there is no woman who doesn't like flowers at all. I prefer

bloody red roses, delicate lilies, and noble irises. When there is a

vase of flowers in the livingroom or on the bed-table it means that

you will be elated all the day, have a desire to do the best for

everybody. I'm fond of dancing very much. I attended dancing classes.

Most of all I like Latin-American dances, because they are so

passionate, rhythmical and active. So I think that's all for now.

Bye, kisses from Olga!

E-mail 3

Hi.

I was very pleased to receive your letter! I did not expect,

that you will answer so quickly! I understand. Age for me not a problem.

You for me are very young. But for me it is not important. I want to learn more about you.

What would you like to know about me? Please, do not hesitate to

ask me I will answer you with pleasure. A few words about myself:

As you might already know I'm 26 years old girl from Russian

small town called Pavlovo. It is approximately 600 km

from Moscow. I have never been married but feel ready to make

the family with the good and honest person. I want to find the

person who will love me and take care of me. I hope that our

relations which are so fragile yet will grow day by day.

Happiness in the Family is everything which is necessary for

the lonely girl such as I am! This's all I need. I am already

an adult girl and I need my own family!

As I already said I work as an accountant. I worked at many other

places before my girlfriend has helped me with this one. It is

very nice, I like it very much. Also I like cooking! I can make

a big variety of dishes! My mother used to say that it's very

important to cook tasty and delicious food to become a good wife.

My favourite is the Russian cuisine! My mother says I do it very

good however I don't eat that much: only salads 2 times a day.

What kind of food do you like?

I think I know English well enough for us to understand each other

I studied English at school then at the University. The English

language was my favourite lesson. Of course I don't speak English

as good but I'm trying to improve it.

Now I live with my mother. I was born when my mum was 30.

My parents wanted children so much and they were waiting girl for

so long so that when I was born they were so happy and tried to

give me all their love and care. My father died natural death when

I was young but he is still in my heart and in my mind. Unfortunately

I have neither sisters nor brothers. I feel lonely and it is so

difficult to live without man's support without strong man's shoulder

on which I would lean. Fortunately I have some good friends who always

are with me and help me. I am very much interested in you and our

relations. Will you please send me your pictures!

It's all for now, I'm going home to sleep and think what to write

you tomorrow. Your Olga.

E-mail 4

Si sirve de algo el nombre del asunto es este: I wish to learn you better‏

Hello my friend Pedro

I am glad to hear from you again. Thanks that you have written me.

I think that every new letter pulls us together more and more. You have

asked me about the nature. I very much love the nature. I think

that you know much about me now. I was familiar with many young people,

but I didn't like any of them. Now I know you and I think we can be very

close friends. I hope that I have made the right choice. I do not want

to risk. I want to be happy and to love the persons who will make me

happy. I write you with pure intentions. Do you think we can be happy

together? Once I had long relations with one guy. We were dating for two years.

I thought that we would marry one day. But suddenly he became so cold

with me, he began to treat me so bad, started to drink a lot and spend

most of the time with his friend s. And they were telling stories about me,

something very horrible that I've never done. He became rude with me.

He spent time with other women. I was so upset and after that I disappointed

in all Russian men. Since that passed one year already. Recently my

girlfriend told me that it is possible to get acquainted with the man

through the Internet. I didn't believe in this but decided to try.

And I have found you. I am very happy that we write each other.

It is very important for me. I want to be happy with the man and to

spend with him the whole my life. I will try to make my man happy.

But without his help and his love and understanding it would be impossible.

I think I'm ready to try such a wonderful feeling as love again.

I hope that you will understand my words.I want to know your opinion about

all this. I want to learn more about you. About your soul and background.

What is the most important for you: material or spiritual values?

I would like to receive more of your pictures.

I will wait for your answer with impatience.

Your friend Olga!


E-mail 5

Aquí ya es donde me manda una foto de la que creo que sale su madre y sus tias.


Hello dear Pedro!

I am very pleased that you answered me. Thank you for your

interesting letter! Your letters always bring me a lot of pleasure

and happiness. Certainly for me cultural wealth are important.

I never thought of money. I always dreamed of own family, about children.

For me love the main thing in a life. When I read your letter I feel, that you are the

kind and good person, and you will never hurt me!

My heart starts to beat more often when I read your letter,

and I think, that you are that person whom I waited for so long.

I am pleased, that we are so similar and it is wonderful to feel

that you are interested in me! I promise you, that I will be sincere

in my letters! Last night I talked to my mother about us. After

my dad has died, she became closer to me and I decided to tell

her, that I correspond with you. I said that you are not from Russia

and she encouraged me. My mother was glad to hear that I met a

good person (that's what I told her about you, as you are really

very nice) but warned to be careful because she remembers how I

suffered with the previous boyfriend. But I ensured her that you

are not that kind of man who will make me suffer. I told her how

interesting and important you are for me and she gave me her

blessing and said she would pray for us! She said that if my dad

were alive he would be happy for me. Yesterday evening I had good

time thinking with my mother, what to write you about me in this

following letter. I hope, that it is pleasant for you! They say

I have good character, and I'm not interested in married men

because to destroy their family is very bad! I want to tell you

that if we shall be together one day I will try to be a good wife

for you and will never deceive you with another man! I think to

betray the husband it is the biggest sin and I am not capable

to do this as many other women! I want to be the best wife I

even read the book in which key rules of the good wife were

written. My life target is not the money but the happiness in

family. I don't want to say, that if everything is ok with us

I will sit at home and keep the house, I would like to find the

job if you don't mind. As for my education I have good knowledge!

I studied for the accountant approximately for 6 years and I'm

good at it. I have good job, but salary is so small so I need

to save money all the time (it is $210 per month). I don't

have my own phone and computer so I write you from the Internet-cafe.

I think it's even better that I do not have much money as they

make people worse and do not make them happy! Of course I earn

more than many people here but it is enough only for meal and

some clothes. I think that we should not speak about the incomes

because it's not the main thing. Well, it's time to go to home

and I can't afford my own phone and computer to write you from home

and sometimes to call you, it is very expensive here.

I'm looking forward to hearing from you!

Your Olga.

Siento mucho este tocho larguísimo, sobretodo por ser el primer mensaje. Esperpo con asia vuestra respuestas. Espero que no sea una scammer, por que es la única con la que hablo. Un saludo

P.D.: Se me olvidó que me hizo una pregunta un poco filosófica, me preguntó si para mí es más importante los bienes espirituales o los bienes materiales. No se si las scammer preguntan esas cosas. Yo le dije bienes espirituales. Espero que esto sirva de algo. Y una vez más gracias por vuestras respuestas.

P.D.2: He buscado su correo por google y no sale nada, aunque las fotos son numeradas. Tengo la foto 1, 2, 3, 4 y 5. Al siguiente mensaje que mande quiero comprobar que realmente es una scammer o no, le diré que se venga a España si me pide dinero ya se que le tendre que ignorarla para siempre.

Estimado Pedro,
Siento decirte que es una Scammer de libro. Muy clara su identidad. Empieza a desengancharte buscando a otras, recuerda que nuestros consejos es que mantengas relaciones con tres mujeres a la vez. Si las hubieras tenido en este momento, te alegrarias de eliminarla, ahora lo mas probable es que pases unos dias deprimido. Espero que te sirva como aprendizaje para las proximas experiencias, porque una vez que has entrado, no debes abandonar, te bajaria la autoestima...
Ni forma de contacto, ni desarrollo del mismo, ni direccion de email, ni estructura de las cartas, ni la forma de mandar fotos son propias de una rusa de verdad. Es decir no hay nada que haga pensar que esa chica exista.
Siento darte la mala noticia, pero no te lo tomes con tristeza, asumelo con alegria, gracias a que estamos juntos has podido darte cuenta antes de llegar a perder mas tiempo. En estos casos, hay que mirarlo desde el punto de vista positivo, siempre es necesario pasar por una pequeña etapa de aprendizaje para que te conozcas a ti mismo un poco mas, tus reacciones, tus puntos debiles... lo entiendes?, asi que... ANIMO, no estas solo y recuerda, si sigues nuestros consejos estoy convencido de que lo conseguiras, aunque tengas el handicap de la edad. Tienes que trabajar con todo lo que se mueva, es decir, guapas, feas, etc. Seran ellas las que se descarten. Recuerda otro de nuestros consejos, tienes que entrar a un dialogo directo, no perderte en una lista de mensajes en donde se cuenta la vida de cada uno, porque la diferencia es que tus mensajes estan escritos a ella personalmente y los de ellas son iguales para ti, para mi, y para cualquiera de los otros muchos que caigan en sus redes.
No olvides en consultarnos cualquier cosa, estamos para ayudarte, y recuerda, eres fuerte y por un tropiezo no vas a permitir que un listo te gane la partida.
Saludos,

Gracias por tu respuesta rápida, no estaba al 100% ilusionado. Yo soy una persona que tiene bastante cuidado en estas cosas, pero empecé a leer sobre los scammer y tal y me quise asegurar, por eso no me ilusione. Bueno por lo menos puedo practicar mi inglés que lo tenía abandonado desde hace 3 años, así que algo bueno he podido sacar, gracias de nuevo por tu respuesta. Por cierto di con una web (freerussiansingles.com) en la que te envían a tu correo electrónico, el correo electrónico de la chica, envé a una un correo el día 5 de octubre y a los dos días responde ella, le mando otro correo y en ese mismo día responde, le envío otro y bueno todavía no ha enviado ninguno. Las fotos que me ha mandado no son las tipicas que mandan, de 1.jpg, 2..., te dejo si eso los e-mail pero son muy cortos.

E-mail 1


Hello. I live in Moscow. I`m 19 years old. Now I work and I study in institute. Yes, it will be interesting to me to communicate to you. Write to me about yourself and send a photo. Yours faithfully Varya

E-mail 2

Pedro, Hi.
I too love animals, beautiful films, I like to travel, rest on the nature. I do not drink and I do not smoke.
I have a dog.
I want serious relations. I wish to establish a strong and happy family. I wish to leave Russia because in Russia people do not have future. My dream to lead a quiet and measured life.
Varya

Siento molestar otra vez. Un saludo

P.D.: No me acordé de dejar el correo de la chica del primer post: glupushka@yahoo.com. Ya sabeis si os contacta una chica con ese correo es una scammer.

la segunda chica es mas real que la primera, el problema es que esa pagina donde la has contactado tiene fama de scammer. Muchas paginas pagan a las chicas por contestar emails y les pagan una comision de lo que saquen. Aqui solo vale la psicologia, por eso escribimos este blog. No tienes que deprimirte, por ahi hemos pasado todos y siempre hay algo interesante, yo nunca estudie ingles y ahora me defiendo, aunque no lo hable bien, pero es un logro. Esta experiencia tiene que servirte para darte cuenta de la dificultad, cuando tengas experiencia te parecera una tonteria todas estas cosas, pero hasta entonces, lo que tienes que hacer es continuar, para no terminar pensando que no eres capaz, y poco a poco, sin darte cuenta, leyendo el blog, descubriras que has aprendido un monton de cosas. Recuerda todos los consejos que te he dado, son validos y con ellos otras personas han tenido exito aparte de mi... tu unico problema es la edad. tengo una duda... has leido el blog? a veces tengo la sensacion de que sois personas que llegais al foro sin conocer el blog. te digo la direccion por si las moscas: http://ntldr1962.wordpress.com Recuerda, no eres pesado, no molestas, estamos aqui para ayudarte. saludos y gracias

Gracias de nuevo tío, seguiré hablando por correo con la scammer, para así saber más sobre como son y así pillar si son reales o no a las proxima que hable. Le dije directamente que nos encontraramos, pero me dijo que le diera el teléfono, no se lo he dado, pero le dije que no de manera educada. Mira lo que me escribió la scammer, ya la he podido pillar por que si estuviese super enamorada sabría al menos mi nombre, en mi cuenta hotmail siempre me invento un nombre, y la tía puso ese nombre.

Hello my dear Raul,

It is so pleasant to receive your letter again!

You filled up my life with a new feeling which I forgot for

quite a while. It is so wonderful! I would like to come more

often to the Internet-cafe to receive your letters, but the

job takes a lot of time and energy. You write to me about

our future meeting. I have correctly understood you? Yes. We

could meet in the future. But we can speak by with you about it

to phone. I think, you will send me your phone number. Recently I have told my

friends about you. They were very surprised, that I have

found the man of my life through the Internet. They heard,

that lots of Russian women get acquainted through the Internet

and come to live in the foreign country with the husband, and

they wish us good luck! They wanted to know all the details

concerning our correspondence but I said that it's very

private and told them just a few general things about us

(for them not to feel jealous that such a wonderful man

correspond with me not with them)! All my girlfriends are

married and their husbands are Russian. Unfortunately most

of them are unhappy in family and there are many reasons

for that and they even envy me that everything is ok with us!

I am very pleased that our relations do the right way! I

would like to ask you about the happiest day in your life

What was it like, what did you feel at that moment?

Now it's time to go home. I will think of you this evening.

Take care.

Your Olga.

Un saludo.

Para su siguiente carta le diré si es una scammer, si le pregunto esto seguro que ni me responderá más ni un e-mail. Una cosa para lo de la lista negra ¿donde es? Así podré ponerla en la lista negra y nadie volverá a caer.

Por cierto me he registrado en dos sitios, en elenamodels y city-of-brides, en teoría es donde mas mujeres reales hay, cual me recomendarias tu? Me he hecho una mastercard para esto y bueno tengo dinero solo para un sitio. He estado mirando en city of brides y pone 30 euros, pero es todo los meses o para siempre y cuando le he dado a upgrade como para actualizar a silver me sale dice que ponga mi dirección, ¿esa dirección es para que la vean las mujeres o ¿s solo para que te manden una carta confirmando el pago? y gracias de nuevo.

cuando llevas tiempo viendo esas cartas, resulta patetico y no puedes entender como, al principio yo tambien me hacia ilusiones... es para deprimirse, pero afortunadamente todos aprendemos, como lo haras tu, como lo he hecho yo, y conseguiras tu objetivo si eres pertinaz como lo han sido otros.
mira, en city-of-brides, no confundas con cityofbrides, hay mucha scammer, rellena tu perfil y espera a que te contacten, la primera carta de ellas no estara escrita para ti, aunque lo creas asi, es una carta que les dan opcion a ellas de escribir y que envian automaticamente a todos los tios que esten comprendidos en el rango de edades que hayan marcado en su busqueda, tu solo contestaras con tu carta estandard a las que te escriban, porque eso te dara datos de que mujeres buscan un hombre de tus caracteristicas y a partir de su contestacion es cuando empezaras a analizar. Hazme caso, nunca mires las fotos hasta que no lleves 4-5 mensajes, es una buena proteccion. En elenamodels, hay menos scammers, pero son mas peligrosas porque no usan habitualmente las secuencias de cartas, asi que... cuidadito. para mi, personalmente, elenamodels esta lleno de mujeres que buscan un buen partido, es lo que he podido comprobar. Pero conozco personas que han tenido exito en esa pagina, asi que no puedo decir que 100% tengan esa intencion. Yo de ti empezaria en la otra pagina, porque es mas barata y porque a fuerza de recibir emails de scammers, aprenderas a distinguir, te servira como entrenamiento. la direccion que te pide... por la tuya ¿quien sabe que es cierta?, no te preocupes por ello. No, no te van a enviar nada a tu casa. Saludos y gracias y cualquier duda, seguimos aqui.

y si pedis que se conecten con la cam al skype??? asi podreis ver si son reales o no.
imagino que una vez dicho esto inventaran cualquier excusa, o sino... dejaran de molestar.

yo desde hace dos o tres dias tambien me mando emails con una tal olga de rusia tambien, tiene 29 años,me ha contado que estudios tiene, sus aficiones y que hace en fin de semana... esta se piensa que yo me lo voy a creer.

me hace mucha gracia porque las cartas son diferentes a las que tu has recibido, pero tiene una estrutura semejante.

Se lo tienen bien currado estas ... o estos ...sea lo que sea.

la estructura y el contenido de las cartas dice mas de lo que os podeis creer. acostumbraros a analizar y cuando vayais teniendo experiencia, aprendereis a diferenciar quien es scammer. recordad siempre que las peligrosas de verdad son las scammers de sentimientos. animo